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  1. #1 Default Looking for some suspension advice! 
    Mods, I'm sorry if this is in the wrong section, plz move if need be,.

    Onto my dilema. Some of you know with the help of Rich, I'm acquiring an AE86 thats going to be pretty much an Initial D replica. Now in the past I've done only auto-x and HPDE's. with this car I wanted to do that and some drifting since sadly all my cars have been FWD. the car will be getting a cage so that will stiffen it up some. My question here is, is there a setup where i can sort of do both!? Any tips, suggestions, or help is greatly appreciated. -Roger
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    Id go for coilovers, preferebly 3-way adjustable
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    I might be mistaken but I would think that if you want something that does both, different tires and fully adjustable suspension will be necessary? AKA you're going to want coilovers, adjustable sway bars... that way you can jump between events with some adjustments
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    If I could get away with just coilovers I'd love that, but I think the setups require more differences. Just know what they are if any.
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    You'll need adjustable dampers, camber and caster plates, toe adjustability, poly/delrin/aluminum bushings for the suspension, and sway bars (adjustable would be preferred). The adjustable dampers are for switching between driving types, as you want stiff front and soft rear for drifting (weight transfer) and stiff all around for other hpdes. You also will need toe out in the rear and negative camber in the front for drifting as well as messing with the sway bars to induce oversteer.

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    Don't forget a limited slip!!
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    Do yourself a favor... Learn how to drive the car as close to stock as you can... THEN upgrade it. Honestly, my first mod would be a limited slip rear, then learn to drive it... Then start adding the other stuff...

    If you learn to drive on a car that isn't modded, then the mods will just enhance your driving capabilities... If you mod it first, the mods/tires will hide your mistakes...
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    are there any power mods planned? or is it already a swapped car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nperkins View Post
    Do yourself a favor... Learn how to drive the car as close to stock as you can... THEN upgrade it. Honestly, my first mod would be a limited slip rear, then learn to drive it... Then start adding the other stuff...

    If you learn to drive on a car that isn't modded, then the mods will just enhance your driving capabilities... If you mod it first, the mods/tires will hide your mistakes...
    yes but if the car need new suspension regardless since its an older car, might as well spend the money on the good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheu_f50 View Post
    yes but if the car need new suspension regardless since its an older car, might as well spend the money on the good stuff.
    Yes... But learning to drive the car when it ISN'T setup is part of the major learning process... Same as if you hop into a bone stock GTR and go tearing up the track you will probably put out the same time as the guy who has a decently modded miata that learned how to drive it stock, and has modded his way into a spec class...

    Think of it like photography roger... A good photographer can take a good picture first crop on any decent camera... Then you have the guys out there with 5d MK2's, a macbook, and an adobe software license that can make their photos look great, but they are covering up what they should have done in the original picture. If I have to spend more than 3-5 minutes on a single picture, I took the picture wrong... Same with driving. If i need tires/suspension/etc to make the car usable, then I don't know how to use the car to begin with.

    EDIT: And I'm willing to bet Rich will back me up on this.
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    brass isn't good enough for those guys. Too heavy. They have burnt titanium because they are that awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigpoppa822 View Post
    You'll need adjustable dampers, camber and caster plates, toe adjustability, poly/delrin/aluminum bushings for the suspension, and sway bars (adjustable would be preferred). The adjustable dampers are for switching between driving types, as you want stiff front and soft rear for drifting (weight transfer) and stiff all around for other hpdes. You also will need toe out in the rear and negative camber in the front for drifting as well as messing with the sway bars to induce oversteer.

    If you need parts feel free to reach out, we have access to a decent chunk of Japanese car parts in addition to our usual euro customer base.
    Tom thanks for the info, seems doable. It looks like we will be intouch sooner then later. I know my buddy AJ just ordered a bunch of parts for his Porsche from you yesterday and spoke highly of you. Thanks to Pete for telling us CT about you.



    Quote Originally Posted by BLKVIP View Post
    Don't forget a limited slip!!
    Thats on the list for sure!



    Quote Originally Posted by nperkins View Post
    Do yourself a favor... Learn how to drive the car as close to stock as you can... THEN upgrade it. Honestly, my first mod would be a limited slip rear, then learn to drive it... Then start adding the other stuff...

    If you learn to drive on a car that isn't modded, then the mods will just enhance your driving capabilities... If you mod it first, the mods/tires will hide your mistakes...
    Noah this is true and will probably happen. The car is at Mike's shop having all fluids, brakes, tires replaced since it hasnt run in 3 years. once I get it, I'll be tinkering aroung in it try to get a feel for her for sure. maybe some quick auto-x events, etc!


    Quote Originally Posted by DjStarscr3am View Post
    are there any power mods planned? or is it already a swapped car?
    No power mods this yr, as i sorta want to see what i can do with it for now. I've been keeping my eye out for a cheap motor to go turbo/sc for 2015


    Quote Originally Posted by cheu_f50 View Post
    yes but if the car need new suspension regardless since its an older car, might as well spend the money on the good stuff.
    Im thinking coilovers and sway bars will be the next mod!
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    I don't think there's a way to have one car easily switching between setups optimized for drift and track. You want a soft front and stuff rear for drifting, even removing the front swaybar if you need to. For track you probably want things close to even front to rear and side to side (depending on how your car handles...). And then you'll need your alignment and camber quite different. It may be a full day's project to switch between the two setups.

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    Noah speaks the truth here. Drive the car until you out drive it. When your talents exceed your hardware, then upgrade. No better way to learn. Doesn't matter the venue.

    Justin, it's opposite in a car like that. for drifting, Stiff in front to control pitch, softer in the rear so it snaps. Car is underpowered so balance is more important there. Welded diff or full spool to lock and spin both wheels. Chassis flex will actually help drifting and transitioning due to the snapback.

    For HPDE I would pretty much go the opposite. Softer spring rates all around, larger sway bars all around. Less dampening in front, slightly more in rear. Open diff or HLSD if avail. More roll cage to stiffen the shit out of the chassis and let the suspension be that much more predictable.

    My advice is have a goal. Pick a direction and travel it. Don't expect to have an all around monster that's the best at everything. You will have to make compromises that eventually will disappoint. I speak from experience.


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    Bingo.
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